Ep 95- A Blueprint for Unity with Jeff Williams

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BTB (00:00):

Welcome to the Building Texas Business Podcast, interviews with thought leaders and organizational visionaries from across industry. Join us as we talk about the latest trends, challenges, and growth opportunities to take your business to the next level. The Building Texas Business Podcast is brought to you by BoyarMiller, providing counsel beyond expectations. Find out how we can make a meaningful difference to your business at boyarmiller.com and by your podcast team where having your own podcast is as easy as being a guest on ours. Discover more at yourpodcast.team. Now here’s your host, Chris Hanslik.

Chris (00:01):

In this episode, you’ll meet Jeff Williams, CEO of Graham Associates and former mayor of Arlington, Texas. Jeff stresses the power of creating unity within a company to foster a strong culture and how training and developing your people it’s critical to success. Jeff, I want to thank you for taking the time and welcome to Building Texas Business. It’s great to be here,

Jeff (00:26):

Chris,

Chris (00:27):

And

Jeff (00:27):

It’s always great to talk about Texas and especially business.

Chris (00:31):

Yes. So let’s start with just introducing yourself and tell us what it is you do. What’s your company known for?

Jeff (00:39):

Well, I own a civil engineering firm and we build communities. We design public infrastructure, highways, roads, utilities, but we also do sports facilities, churches, schools there. We’ve done a lot of different things. Some of our projects you might recognize in at and t Stadium, we were the civil engineers for it. And yes, we did work with the Jones family and we also also know

Chris (01:02):

Is Jerry World, right?

Jeff (01:03):

Absolutely. And it was an exciting project to work on and then it’s amazing how well it’s aged and still the top special event center here in the country. But then we’ve had South Lake Town Square, which was kind of the granddaddy of all of the town centers that’s here and a really special place. Nebraska Furniture Mark. We got to work for Warren Buffett there and doing his grand scape development here in the Metroplex. But then we’ve also, we have Prestonwood Baptist Church, which one of the largest churches in the Southwest. So rewarding to be able to do that. And then we’ve got Westlake Academy, actually Westlake, Texas. We actually got to start from scratch there. It was a town that we got in on the very beginning. They had one subdivision and now they’ve got Fidelity’s headquarters. Schwab is there, Deloitte, and then Viro, one of the most upscale developments in the state of Texas. So those are some of the fun projects that we’ve gotten to do. I think it’s very rewarding.

Chris (02:05):

Yeah, no, I mean it sounds not just fun but impactful and kind of be able to look around and see how you’ve changed the landscape of your community,

Jeff (02:13):

Chris. That is so, so true. There’s nothing better than to be able to take your family and friends to be able to show them what you’ve done, but even more importantly, to actually be at one of your projects and see people coming together and families enjoying a special place that we created. And of course that moves to unity and that’s one of the things that I have grown to value more than anything else is bringing people together to make a difference. That’s great. Well,

Chris (02:45):

We have the benefit here at Warrior Miller represent a lot of very successful real estate developers. And so I think I know our real estate team feels the same way is right working with the client to bring projects like that together and being able to, the benefit of doing the legal work for that and just see to go by years later and go, we worked on that project or that park or that building or that community center is really rewarding stuff.

Jeff (03:12):

Really is the mission of our company is to be an integral partner in building communities.

Chris (03:18):

I like that. So let’s talk a little, I mean, what was the inspiration? Obviously you’re engineer I guess by education, but what’s been the inspiration for you to stay in this industry and build the company that you’ve

Jeff (03:31):

Built? Well, we just hit it. I feel like it’s such an important part of being able to build these communities for people to live, work and play in. And then that actually led me to being actually recruited to run for mayor here in Arlington and to serve there. I served three terms as mayor. That’s very unusual for engineers to move into that. I didn’t realize it until after I was elected and there aren’t many engineers that do that. But however, as an engineer, we have designed public infrastructure. We have to sell our projects to the citizens so many times we also understand schedules and budgets and being able to work through that. And so it really was a great fit for me there, although it’s very challenging and people go, well, why would you do that? Well, the reason we’d do it, it’s rewarding. It’s the most rewarding job I’ve ever had. But it also is the hardest because you’re working with so many different people. But it really increased my awareness that the last thing we need to be doing is to be having dissension and conflict all the time. Instead, we need to be bringing people together to make a difference and actually work on projects that can actually, people can get behind and have passion and discover their purpose. And then of course, the results of that have been actually to forge friendships.

(04:58):

Love

Chris (04:58):

That. So I guess, how have you taken some of those lessons and lessons along the way and incorporated them into the company at Graham Associates to kind of build the team there?

Jeff (05:11):

Well, as I came out of serving as mayor, I ended my last term in 2021. We’d come out of the pandemic. There still were the lingering effects of it. People wanted to work from home. So however, in our business, in so many businesses, teamwork is a big part of what we need.

Chris (05:31):

Absolutely.

Jeff (05:33):

I read everything I could get ahold of because we are at the beginning of a technology revolution, but we also have societal changes that happen every few months or perhaps even sometimes monthly. So I needed to understand the young people, but also needed to figure out how to create an atmosphere to where our people wanted to be. So literally our offices, we redid everything in the way of so that we could be a very inviting place that our employees could be proud of, but also that our clients would want to come because those face-to-face meetings are still important. And then part of that impact too was that we try to create special places for collaboration and we have several collaboration rooms there. And so that was a key. But also in our Collins areas, we wanted to be uplifting. So in our kitchens we have those stocked, but we also put up positive phrases there that really epitomize our core values and we have our core values that our employees actually fed into.

(06:43):

They’re displayed everywhere. But then I ran into a roadblock because our older engineers said, Hey, why are we doing all of this? And then we started in on doing a Friday staff meeting where everyone came together and we call it our high five meeting, an opportunity for us to encourage each other and to be able to share some of the stories that happened that week. And man, my older engineer said, man, that’s a whole hour of billable time that we could be having. And they didn’t like it at all for the first couple of months. And then magic started happening. They started getting to know each other better. And so I had millennials getting along with the older baby boomers, they’re an understanding each other and now they all look forward to it. And we do soft skill training and IT team building there also. But it is a time that we all look forward to and it built that camaraderie because we need teamwork and it helps to get them there. And so then I still allow my people to work one day a week at all. But then our project managers actually make the decision on how much more if someone wants to work from home more because it depends on the project and what we’ve got going, but yet our team understands now that they’ve got to be able to build those relationships. Well, I like what you pointed

Chris (08:09):

Out there is it’s not a one size fits all game. You got to be flexible and listen. And I think as leaders, if you can communicate that so that your employees understand that they’ll understand when you can’t be as flexible as maybe they would like because the circumstances don’t warrant that. But then when you can, you allow it,

Jeff (08:33):

Chris. That is so true, and you’ve got to value people and be able to listen to them. No longer can a manager when they ask you, why are we doing something? Because you can’t say because I said so.

Chris (08:45):

No,

Jeff (08:45):

It’s

Chris (08:46):

Because it’s the way we’ve always done it.

Jeff (08:48):

Oh yes, that’s another great line. That is a dinosaur that can’t act more. But it’s actually exciting to be able to share with our people why we’re doing things and to be able to understand the big picture of that, Hey, this isn’t that You’re just designing a roadway to a hospital. You are contributing to the overall wellbeing of actually being a part of the team that constructs a state-of-the-art hospital that,

Chris (09:17):

Well, I think the other thing you’ve discovered, we see it here. It was certainly part of our culture before COVID and it’s become an important part post COVID to regain connection. And that’s getting people together in community, in the office, lunches, happy hours, breakfast, whatever, because then you use the word magic started to happen. I think that’s right, that as we gain connection with our coworkers, that helps with retention, it helps with collaboration because we get to know each other a little better. Especially important I think not just in a post COVID world, but in the multi-generational office that we’re dealing with. Right? Four and five generations in one office together don’t necessarily see things eye to eye, but if you get to know somebody, you can break those barriers.

Jeff (10:05):

That’s right. And that leads to something else that I’ve discovered. Even if you’re an introvert and you think you don’t need other people, it is amazing because God made us to live in community. And when you’re coming together and aligning people with a purpose and you are working together, suddenly those barriers get broken down. And it doesn’t matter the age difference, the color of your skin, all of those differences disappear because you’re working together to make a difference. And suddenly, again, I’ll mention you end up with friendships that are forged. In fact, if you think about it, probably your best friends are the ones that you worked on a project with. It might be for school, for church or in your work. And certainly it’s awesome to be able to forge great friendships at your workplace.

Chris (10:57):

I love it. We haven’t used the word really much, but it sounds like you’re defining the culture that you’re trying to build and nurture there. How would you describe the culture and anything else other than these kind of high five meetings and such that you’re doing to try to help nurture the culture?

Jeff (11:15):

Well, I think the other part to round it out is that we have got to be focused on teaching and training. I think the culture has really got to be a teaching atmosphere. People don’t respond to that type A manager that is forceful and raises their voice and all of that. It’s more they’ve got to see that you value them, each one of these employees do. But then also it’s not just in how you truth them. You need to take action in teaching and training them and show them how they are going to be able to help themselves and help the team overall by learning. And then of course, we also have to create that accountability because we aren’t professional teachers. In fact, no matter what business we’re in, most of us are not professional teachers. So we need our employees to be willing to ask questions and to be willing to be vulnerable, say, I really don’t understand this. I need help on this. And that’s where it’s got to be a two-way street, but yet you cannot. You got to really foster that culture where they are willing to ask questions and to let you know that they don’t know it there. But then we have the ability to focus in on what do they not understand and be able to get that training to help fill in that hole.

Chris (12:34):

Yeah, that’s so important. So true. Let’s just talk a little bit about technology and innovation. What are some of the things that you see and that you’ve tried to incorporate there from an innovative way of doing your work or how technology’s changing the trends of how you go about your work?

Jeff (12:54):

Well, Chris, this is one of my favorite topics, and of course no surprise with me being an engineer, but we are really at the beginning of a technology revolution. In fact, I’ll never forget, a few years ago I heard the head of IBM technology that was actually out of Belgium, and he said exactly that We are at the beginning of a technology revolution like the world has never seen, and we are going to see more change than we have ever experienced. Well, there is a little bit of a problem because most people don’t like change. And yet we have got to be willing to adapt to that. And I challenge our engineers throughout when I’m speaking to engineering groups. So you guys have got to take the lead in that we, engineers are typically very conservative. They find a great way to do something or they want to stick with it.

(13:49):

But however, because of new technology, we’ve got to be researching that technology. We’ve got to be looking to see what technology is good, what is not. We even need to be helping in the regulation of it. And so consequently, I’ll say this, we have got to be researching AI and software that is coming out constantly. I have two people dedicated to that. Larger firms probably have whole departments that are dedicated because we have an opportunity to be able to do things better faster, but we’ve got to be able to be competitive. I don’t want to wake up one day and all my competitors are being able to do things 30% cheaper than I can and beating my price point and actually able to serve the clients better. And I do equate it to when computers really came online in the eighties, we were all worried about, well, are we going to have a job?

(14:45):

Oh, well. And then others would say, well, we’re only going to work three days a week now because of computers. No, we saw ourselves become more productive and we will become more productive with AI and other technologies, but also even with the technology being able to incorporate how you use it. I’ll give you an example of that. When I was serving as mayor, we were the first city in America to run an autonomous shuttle, a driverless shuttle there on a public streets. And it was amazing at work that we were all scared of it, but we actually challenged our city staff to be looking at new technologies that we could use to be able for transportation. And we said, Hey, let’s open up our city as a laboratory. And so consequently, our staff came up with the idea that we really could have Uber and Lyft type process and actually have driverless shuttles that are seven passenger vans that could be going out throughout our city in a very cost effective way.

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That’d be much cheaper than high speed rail or light rail there. Of course, high speed rail is still a ways off. But anyway, long story short, we went out and did an RFQ, Uber, Lyft and a accompanied by the name of Via all proposed on it. And we ended up being the first city in America to implement technology rideshare and then added the autonomous vehicle to it. And now cities across America are doing that. And instead of paying 50 million a mile for light rail, we are end up calling actually covering our whole city 99 square miles for $8 million a year. It’s an amazing thing and very cost effective. Everybody’s business. We’ve got to look at how can we do things different and more cost effective utilizing the technology.

Chris (16:46):

Let’s talk about a corollary to that. What are some of the trends you’re seeing in your industry that we should be prepared for and maybe how is being based in Texas influencing those trends?

Jeff (17:02):

Well, it’s growth, Chris. The growth is a big change in our business there because in growth is so big and so consequently the biggest resource we need or people, it’s not, we can all buy our software, we can all buy our computers, but it’s really about people. Every business I talk to, it’s all about finding those people and then yet we’ve got to be willing to train them up there. And of course, really when you’re hiring experienced people, many times that’s just a stop gap because they don’t quite fit what you need. So I think the big change that we’re seeing trend that businesses are needing to train their workforce up and do that as fast as you can because we need more people to be able to fill those positions. So again, we’ve got to become teachers, we’ve got to be able to be efficient. And then I still think one of the biggest challenges in business and really in fact in America is that we have so much dissension. People have a tough time getting along with each other. Arguments come up and then suddenly that cancel culture comes and there’s no forgiveness. It’s I’m done with you. And that is a poison for business there. And none of us as managers want to spend all our time in conflict resolution. So to that, right?

Chris (18:27):

One of the things I talk about a lot is that if we can remember to give grace in the business world, we do have a personal life a lot, but for some reason we get into, then we think we switch and put the corporate hat on or business hat on and we kind of forget that. I think that is an important aspect to remember, to your point, it helps diffuse conflict. We’re imperfect human beings. And so learning to have accountability but also with a touch of grace can help resolve conflict, avoid conflict mitigated in the workplace.

Jeff (19:07):

That’s so true. Chris. I had an interesting thing happen along these same lines as New York University actually studied Arlington when I was mayor, and they got attracted initially that we had become the sports capital of the nation, but yet they looked at how we did things. And I needed help as a mayor, so I sought out people. I needed experts, I needed people that would work. I needed input from our citizens. And so we ended up working together to accomplish a lot of things. We had to work to keep the Texas Rangers here in town. There were a lot of other cities that wanted to move them out of our community. We also had not been bringing in jobs there. And in 2014, the year before I came in, the big headlines read that the DFW Metropolitan area had created more jobs in any other metropolitan area in the country, and Arlington was not doing that.

(20:01):

And so we had to jumpstart that economy and then yet I needed to unite our leaders and we did that. And throughout the pandemic and so forth, New York University studied us and they believed we came out of the pandemic quicker than any other city in America, both physically and economically. And so they encouraged me to write a book on Unity and how you did it. And they also then took it a step further and they went to Forbes and I ended up signing a book contract with Forbes and were releasing the Unity Blueprint on September the ninth. That really is that plan. Therefore being able to bring people together in both your personal life, your life, and then even our civic involvement and so forth there. And that has been a big change for me really since I came into office. I always valued people, but now getting it, taking it to the next step of unity because how much time is wasted there when your employees are fighting with each other or arguing and then it’s a lasting effect. They never work together as well. And so working and creating that culture and actually adding forgiveness to your core value I think is a very important thing. But then also getting people to adopt character values themselves, to have a foundation that they can work with. And when you see people working to be a person of character, there can be forgiveness, but there’s not much room for forgiveness when it’s constantly on the other person. It’s a tough deal. Right. Well,

Chris (21:48):

I didn’t realize about the book. That sounds, I’m excited to see it and read it, and I don’t know if there’s anything that kind of comes out of that as a tidbit that you might be able to share with us now the listeners about maybe obviously the lessons you’ve learned along the way, kind of that something that you’ve incorporated into your kind of leadership style that has helped foster unity within the organizations you’ve run.

Jeff (22:18):

Always amazed when a person gets appointed president of his company or gets elected to a position and many times they don’t have a plan. And then in addition to that, if they do have a plan, many times they didn’t get any input on it. They literally concocted a plan of their own versus the opportunity for you to work on a vision and a plan after you have researched it, and then you take it to your employees and get feedback from them. And suddenly that plan transforms from your plan to our plan. And it’s amazing when you get that buy-in, how it can really work together, and you’re not having to sell your plan all the time. They’re doing it for you, and it makes all the difference. I’m very excited about being able to move out there around the country and pushing towards unity as a matter of fact, and our book has already reached the number one new release by Amazon.

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They’re in both business and Christian leadership, so I’m pumped about that. That’s awesome. Congratulations. But we’re not perfect people. We all need the space, but if you’re employees can see that you’re working towards it, if your fellow employees can see you are working towards being that person of character and wanting to do it. Now, we landed in the middle of honor museum here in Arlington there. We were in a 20 city competition for that, and it’s probably one of the greatest things I’ve ever been involved in. We had a six month journey there and competing against the other cities and it was a national museum. And you go, well, why didn’t they go to Washington dc? Well, the reason they didn’t is going to take 20 years to get it built. And we in Texas here, can get things built quick, can’t we? Right. You’ve got great contractors, architects, engineers to make that happen. And real estate people, Chris real estate people, government

Chris (24:17):

That wants to get stuff done, right? That’s right. Yeah. Rather than being an impediment to getting stuff done.

Jeff (24:24):

Well, the middle of honor museum or the Medal of Honor recipients that were leading that recognize that very thing, they also saw that we are the center of patriotism and we can get things done. We have a track record do it.

Chris (24:38):

I had there’s, we could do a whole episode I think just on that museum. I had the privilege, Texas Capital Bank did a little Texas tour and they hosted something here in Houston that I was invited to all about the museum, what it is, how it came about. Very unique, very special, very proud that it’s going to be in Texas and hopefully more people will take time to get to know what this is all about and then go visit it once it opens.

Jeff (25:07):

Well, the thing that surprised me is when I actually visited with these Living Medal of Honor recipients, and each one of them has pledged to spend the rest of their life making more of a difference there. And what they’re doing is they are pushing character values, integrity, sacrifice, courage, commitment, citizenship and patriotism. Well, that’s what all of us need. And currently the state board of education here in Texas has adopted a two week curriculum that our students will study in school and then they’ll be able to take a field trip to the museum or a virtual field trip. And I think that’s gotten everybody excited that that is happening. And then of course, it’s not just the youth, our adults too. So there are adult programs that are going on, but it had me reassess my core values. It had me to, I really wanted to reassess my character values and so forth. And in business it always starts with you got to do what you say you’re going to do. But then I had an interesting thing happen and I pretty well knew the answer when I asked it, but I was speaking to 20 Chick-fil-A managers, and of course Chick-fil-A is number one in service, aren’t they?

Chris (26:23):

Right?

Jeff (26:24):

I asked them, I said, guys, what are you looking for and you’re leader? And they immediately spoke up and they said, we are looking for a leader that we can trust, and then we’re looking for a leader that values us. I think that’s where it starts for us then in Texas. We know that we get that right and we believe in partnerships and collaboration, and I think that separates us from so many other places in the country.

Chris (26:54):

So kind of tagging on with leadership, lots of theories and about how to become a leader, how to grow as a leader. I think you hit it on the nail on the head when you said you got to be a man of your word or a person of your word. Do what you say you’re going to do when you say you’re going to do it. It’s kind of a foundational element, but I know from my own personal experience and talking to others, we learn a lot as leaders from mistakes we’ve made. And I’m just curious to know if you could share one of those rather than a mistake. I call it a learning moment where it didn’t go as planned, but you learned from that and from that it actually probably accelerated your leadership skills because of it.

Jeff (27:41):

Yes, no doubt about it. That’s very easy for me to say because one of the biggest disappointments I had in my career is we had worked on a Johnson Creek Greenway here in Arlington. It was a nine mile creek beautiful creek, and we also were going to be doing a river walk in the entertainment district around those stadiums and so forth. And we had done all the preliminary planning there. It got through the core of engineers, and we also had held major charettes. We were winning awards from all over the country. I was actually traveling and speaking on that. I had an incredible partner with me, a guy by the name of Jim Richards. I loved working with our team and I thought, this is what I’m going to be doing the next 10 years. But however, the city had to pass a sales tax selection to fund the project, and they hired a political consultant that came in and said, Hey, I think you guys ought to attach an arts referendum on this.

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The Johnson Creek project is so popular, the Riverwalk will go, let’s attach that to it. And then there was one other thing that came in that was so unique, and that was that some of our people had actually gotten a agreement with Smithsonian to build a branch museum on this Johnson Creek river wall. And so they put that on the agenda there for an election, but the political consultants said, we don’t want anybody doing anything. They said, we do not want Jeff Williams and my other partner going out and speaking, what if you make a mistake and you say the wrong thing or you stir people up? And then they also did not really realize that our refer referendum was very popular. We lost that election by a few hundred loaves. It was one of the most devastating things. And it’s taken 20 years. A lot of it’s been built, but the Riverwalk is not.

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And it changed my whole career there because I had to study why did this happen? How did it happen? And I said, I have got to learn about how to handle sales tax and bond elections. And so I studied hard and in fact, I learned a lot on the Cowboys sales tax election because we had that coming up a few years after that. And we were prepared when we got into the Cowboys sales tax election. And I ran several school and city bond elections after that. There’s times when you have to learn more and to be able to take control. And little did I know that it’s going to prepare me for serving as mayor later on too. But I’ll never forget, in 2008, we had a recession and y’all may recall that. And we had a bond program going on for public works and parks, and I was not mayor then of just engineer.

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And we were in trouble because if we didn’t get these road projects through, and actually some of these parts projects, we had buildings that were in badly needed repair wreck centers, so forth, we had to again, engage more people and raise more money. And we went ahead with that sales tax or I should say bond program, and we were able to get it passed in the midst of that. And again, I think unity and learning about knowledge there played a huge pull. I’m a big researcher. I love to, and there are so many books out there, but also generally we never come up. We think that we come up with some creative idea that no one has ever done well, especially in business. Somebody has done it. Find them, find and you can learn from their mistakes and hopefully not make your own, but also learn from their successes. But great question, Chris.

Chris (31:32):

Yeah, no, you’re so right. I mean, I tell people never stop learning. Be curious. We learn from our mistakes. We can learn from others and we can learn from our successes because sometimes we’re successful despite ourselves or despite the plan. Lots of people will tell you it’s good to be lucky every now and again. So sometimes that happens. But if you take the time to learn the why behind the success or the failure you will have learning and then that learning you will grow from

Jeff (32:04):

You just spur the thought that I think is so important as you are a success as you grow in your success in business. There, the ego definitely comes up. And then we all know that we’ve got to be careful and be humble, but I want to create a definition for humbleness because so many times when we hear humble, it goes, oh, well, you need to be modest. You never to don’t need to show that confidence and so forth are really, I think the important thing about humbleness is that you need to realize that you are vulnerable and that we need other people. And you can’t do it alone and you don’t need to do it alone because you’ll not really succeed as well. So as a leader, you walk along a cliff every day and we need people to be able to keep us from falling off. And I think you’ve got to continue to remember that every step of the way and there’s always somebody that has a better idea. Let’s go find it.

Chris (32:59):

Yeah, that’s great. Jeff, this has been a great conversation. Just love your insights and your input. Can’t wait to see the book. Unity. I want to turn just a little before we wrap up, is there a favorite spot in Texas that enjoy visiting or just kind of think about when are not doing all the engineering work and planning communities?

Jeff (33:22):

I love Texas. There are so many rural areas and cities, but I’ve got to share with you about three quick ones right here. One, Arlington, Texas has become the destination between Orlando and Vegas. And it is amazing how you can come now to the metroplex and you can see all kinds of events that are taking place there in our stadiums. And it may not be sporting, it may be concerts, it may be wrestling, who knows what it may be there going on. But then also we have the premier park in the state of Texas, I believe in River Legacy Parks, 1300 acres on the Trinity River bottoms and all of the tree growth and everything is still there. Amazing place with a world-class nature center there in it. But then you can go to Fort Worth and experience the Texas experience, the Stockyards, and then the world-class museum. And so we do staycations here because we don’t want to take advantage of that. But then I’ll hit two others real quick. Lubbock, Texas, I know you’re going to go what in the world? Check out that restaurant scene and check out the music scene that is out there. And then Tex always got things going on, but of course we love Austin, San Antonio there in particular, Fredericksburg, east Texas and Tyler is awesome, but we have found a great beach in Port Aransas, har cinnamon chores for sure. We love it

Chris (34:53):

A lot to offer, right? Big state. A lot to offer. We accommodate all types and tastes. Right. Well that’s one of the things I love about the state of Texas is if you can kind of find anything that any interest you have, we can satisfied.

Jeff (35:08):

That’s right. That’s

Chris (35:09):

Maybe not snow skiing. We hadn’t figured that one out yet. But other than that, I think we got you covered.

Jeff (35:15):

Yeah, that’s right. And of course Colorado’s worried Texans are going to take over Colorado. We do head up there to do our skiing

Chris (35:22):

For sure. Okay, last question. Do you prefer Tex-Mex or barbecue?

Jeff (35:27):

Oh my goodness. I hate to make this choice, but I’ve got to talk barbecue. We have a really neat story here in Arlington with Harto Barbecue. This was a guy that was a backyard barbecue or Brandon, he’s Texas monthly now has him in the top 50. But it was really neat. We had the first neutral World Series here in Arlington. You remember during the pandemic they picked us to in the LA Dodgers in Tampa came to town. The LA Dodgers found the small little barbecue spot of Hertado here in downtown Arlington and it went viral. They put it on social media. Everybody found Brandon Hertado, including Taylor Sheridan and Taylor Sheridan with Ellison started having him out to his parties and now he signed an agreement with four six’s ranch that Taylor owns to supply the beef. And he’s now got several restaurants. It’s just a really neat story. And how many times is it so fun for us in Texas to discover that next new barbecue spot? Got ’em all over the place. It’s awesome. That is a cool

Chris (36:37):

Story. I’ve not heard of that, but now I’m going to have to go try some, so love it. Well, Jeff, this has been great. I really appreciate you taking the time, love your story and just congratulations for all the success you’ve had, and I know you’ll continue to that into the future.

Jeff (36:52):

Thank you, Chris, and look forward to continuing this relationship. And thank you for what you’re doing here on the podcast.

Chris (36:59):

Absolutely.

Jeff (36:59):

And remember, let’s build Unity and the Unity blueprint.

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